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		<title>Comment on Why Do We Believe What We believe? by suburbanmarx</title>
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		<dc:creator>suburbanmarx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and about the Bible being infallible simply because it&#039;s the &#039;best thing left&#039; is hardly evidence. 
If you burn down a library and the only book that survived is a Playboy magazine from 2012 automatically becomes God&#039;s word and proof that all women in 2012 were scantily-clad models?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and about the Bible being infallible simply because it&#8217;s the &#8216;best thing left&#8217; is hardly evidence.<br />
If you burn down a library and the only book that survived is a Playboy magazine from 2012 automatically becomes God&#8217;s word and proof that all women in 2012 were scantily-clad models?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Do We Believe What We believe? by suburbanmarx</title>
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		<dc:creator>suburbanmarx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stalin did not persecute Christians and Jews because he hated faith. He wanted absolute power, was a paranoid maniac and knew very well that passionate believers are more problematic than not-so-holy-in-your-face atheists or agnostics. He didn&#039;t care about &quot;Truth&quot;, as you say- he wanted power, and he knew very well what stood in his way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stalin did not persecute Christians and Jews because he hated faith. He wanted absolute power, was a paranoid maniac and knew very well that passionate believers are more problematic than not-so-holy-in-your-face atheists or agnostics. He didn&#8217;t care about &#8220;Truth&#8221;, as you say- he wanted power, and he knew very well what stood in his way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answer #1 to Connor&#8217;s Question by Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 00:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newton also believed in alchemy.
Einstein either had a wavering religiosity or a desire to lie, one way or the other. Tons of conflicting quotes that just make my mind hurt. I&#039;d rather not even approach him as an example for the logical or illogical belief of a God.

A more important thing to bring up is your unwavering faith. You rarely see unwavering faith in atheism. More importantly, no two atheists believe the exact same thing. The only common thread we have is our belief that there is a good chance there isn&#039;t a God (agnosticism), some of us are terrible, some of us are racists, some of us are guys at the soup kitchens, some of us are capable of immense love and some of us are capable of immense hate. You can say the same about Christians. It&#039;s a human thing, after all.

My scientific knowledge isn&#039;t that grand, admittedly. Also, way more importantly, you say &quot;who made this, who made that?&quot; Who made God, I say. You would say &quot;God exists outside of time and space and has always existed&quot;, straight out of a Christian apologetics sermon. Thing is, why can&#039;t the UNIVERSE do this? Because the UNIVERSE isn&#039;t a God? To look at this so plainly is beyond me. There may be a God, there may not be a God, I assert that I have a stronger belief in the latter, that&#039;s all I do as an atheist. The universe is a crazy and awe inspiring thing and we can both admit that, at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newton also believed in alchemy.<br />
Einstein either had a wavering religiosity or a desire to lie, one way or the other. Tons of conflicting quotes that just make my mind hurt. I&#8217;d rather not even approach him as an example for the logical or illogical belief of a God.</p>
<p>A more important thing to bring up is your unwavering faith. You rarely see unwavering faith in atheism. More importantly, no two atheists believe the exact same thing. The only common thread we have is our belief that there is a good chance there isn&#8217;t a God (agnosticism), some of us are terrible, some of us are racists, some of us are guys at the soup kitchens, some of us are capable of immense love and some of us are capable of immense hate. You can say the same about Christians. It&#8217;s a human thing, after all.</p>
<p>My scientific knowledge isn&#8217;t that grand, admittedly. Also, way more importantly, you say &#8220;who made this, who made that?&#8221; Who made God, I say. You would say &#8220;God exists outside of time and space and has always existed&#8221;, straight out of a Christian apologetics sermon. Thing is, why can&#8217;t the UNIVERSE do this? Because the UNIVERSE isn&#8217;t a God? To look at this so plainly is beyond me. There may be a God, there may not be a God, I assert that I have a stronger belief in the latter, that&#8217;s all I do as an atheist. The universe is a crazy and awe inspiring thing and we can both admit that, at least.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answer #1 to Connor&#8217;s Question by Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 00:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t have faith if I tried. This is what Christians need to understand of most atheists. I mean, if I really tried. You&#039;d have to understand our mindset to understand us. Trust me, I&#039;d love to go the path of least resistance, but what seems to me a delusion I simply can&#039;t surrender to. And sorry if that seems harsh, this is my own personal view- and I&#039;m not alone on it. It&#039;s growing. With growing knowledge it gets harder and harder to surrender to that, so in a way I respect it, and yet... I&#039;m never going to follow in that path, and if there&#039;s a hell for me to burn in, I&#039;d rather do that than commit to Pascal&#039;s flawed wager that fails to take into consideration multiple religions, multiple possible gods, and more importantly, the human desire for truth and not wanting to live a potential lie. Your God has not found me and I have not found your God.

What got a rise outta me? You said you wanted debate, so clearly you want attention, and well, I thought I&#039;d give me 2 cents, or, well if you consider inflation, probably a dime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t have faith if I tried. This is what Christians need to understand of most atheists. I mean, if I really tried. You&#8217;d have to understand our mindset to understand us. Trust me, I&#8217;d love to go the path of least resistance, but what seems to me a delusion I simply can&#8217;t surrender to. And sorry if that seems harsh, this is my own personal view- and I&#8217;m not alone on it. It&#8217;s growing. With growing knowledge it gets harder and harder to surrender to that, so in a way I respect it, and yet&#8230; I&#8217;m never going to follow in that path, and if there&#8217;s a hell for me to burn in, I&#8217;d rather do that than commit to Pascal&#8217;s flawed wager that fails to take into consideration multiple religions, multiple possible gods, and more importantly, the human desire for truth and not wanting to live a potential lie. Your God has not found me and I have not found your God.</p>
<p>What got a rise outta me? You said you wanted debate, so clearly you want attention, and well, I thought I&#8217;d give me 2 cents, or, well if you consider inflation, probably a dime.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Do We Believe What We believe? by Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 23:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...is quite a STRONG claim in itself. Almost... GNOSTIC, I&#039;d say, just like a strong atheist would &quot;assuredly&quot; say there is no god.
(There, the end should read sanely now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;is quite a STRONG claim in itself. Almost&#8230; GNOSTIC, I&#8217;d say, just like a strong atheist would &#8220;assuredly&#8221; say there is no god.<br />
(There, the end should read sanely now).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Do We Believe What We believe? by Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 23:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitler was a Christian, a Catholic. Was he a practicing Christian? Hardly. But regardless, his religion or lack of it (that&#039;s up for question) had nothing to do with his insanity. And Stalin was just an asshole. What if you met a really kind atheist who never admitted himself as such? What if you found out long after you formed a positive opinion of them? You wouldn&#039;t think &quot;his atheism is what makes him kind&quot;, he&#039;s just a nice person. Who&#039;s to say you can say it the other way around? &quot;His atheism made him evil, a narcissist, and a killer of Jews&quot; or whatever?

Also sadly, some people thought it&#039;d be cute to blend actual Darwinism with society- and only stupid fringe groups enjoy that inherently flawed view. We should help everyone we are able to and make the world a better place, if we so can.

Do you think Darwin&#039;s goal was to undermine your faith? No, his goal was to find out the truth. Did he? Many people say yes and no alike, and you can probably tell what side of the fence I&#039;m on, but I&#039;m not gonna go that route. Darwin was just a person. I&#039;m getting sick of people vilifying him as some sort of Satan propagator because he found things personally that strongly contradict with scripture. His wife was a Christian, he himself, an agnostic. His works should be heralded, not attacked. Do you think Darwin was a Nazi? I bet you do. I bet you think he&#039;s like this troll who&#039;s like &quot;I&#039;m gonna lie to people to get them to walk astray from the Lord, because I am the devil in human form, oh yes!&quot; Sadly, he had no CLUE the outrage his work would cause. I am an agnostic atheist, and most atheists are agnostic atheists. There may be a god out there, but I don&#039;t see much possibility of it being any god mankind knows of. And to assuredly say it&#039;s the Christian god when there&#039;s other religions (that you no doubt think are lies, like an atheist thinks yours is probably a lie) that could fill that same mold, and have just as &quot;sacred&quot; text in the eyes of their beholders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitler was a Christian, a Catholic. Was he a practicing Christian? Hardly. But regardless, his religion or lack of it (that&#8217;s up for question) had nothing to do with his insanity. And Stalin was just an asshole. What if you met a really kind atheist who never admitted himself as such? What if you found out long after you formed a positive opinion of them? You wouldn&#8217;t think &#8220;his atheism is what makes him kind&#8221;, he&#8217;s just a nice person. Who&#8217;s to say you can say it the other way around? &#8220;His atheism made him evil, a narcissist, and a killer of Jews&#8221; or whatever?</p>
<p>Also sadly, some people thought it&#8217;d be cute to blend actual Darwinism with society- and only stupid fringe groups enjoy that inherently flawed view. We should help everyone we are able to and make the world a better place, if we so can.</p>
<p>Do you think Darwin&#8217;s goal was to undermine your faith? No, his goal was to find out the truth. Did he? Many people say yes and no alike, and you can probably tell what side of the fence I&#8217;m on, but I&#8217;m not gonna go that route. Darwin was just a person. I&#8217;m getting sick of people vilifying him as some sort of Satan propagator because he found things personally that strongly contradict with scripture. His wife was a Christian, he himself, an agnostic. His works should be heralded, not attacked. Do you think Darwin was a Nazi? I bet you do. I bet you think he&#8217;s like this troll who&#8217;s like &#8220;I&#8217;m gonna lie to people to get them to walk astray from the Lord, because I am the devil in human form, oh yes!&#8221; Sadly, he had no CLUE the outrage his work would cause. I am an agnostic atheist, and most atheists are agnostic atheists. There may be a god out there, but I don&#8217;t see much possibility of it being any god mankind knows of. And to assuredly say it&#8217;s the Christian god when there&#8217;s other religions (that you no doubt think are lies, like an atheist thinks yours is probably a lie) that could fill that same mold, and have just as &#8220;sacred&#8221; text in the eyes of their beholders.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answer to John&#8217;s Evil/God Question by jonskii</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonskii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 20:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Omnipotent is not the same as containing everything: God is everywhere and knows all, but that does not mean that everything is God (I for example, am not God, clearly, but God knows me). And then there&#039;s the question of free will: on this I would argue that God HAS given us such free will, and I would point out that knowing what we are going to do is not the same as making the decision for us, and hence not &quot;predetermined&quot; but &quot;preknown&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Omnipotent is not the same as containing everything: God is everywhere and knows all, but that does not mean that everything is God (I for example, am not God, clearly, but God knows me). And then there&#8217;s the question of free will: on this I would argue that God HAS given us such free will, and I would point out that knowing what we are going to do is not the same as making the decision for us, and hence not &#8220;predetermined&#8221; but &#8220;preknown&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answer to John&#8217;s Evil/God Question by skeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do we know that objective moral values exist?Don&#039;t we have to make an assumption with out any evidential basis in order to believe objective moral values exist? I am free to believe in good or evil, but I am also free to believe in the flying spaghetti monster. What basis do I have to believe in Objective Good and Evil? Is it a stronger basis than the Flying spaghetti monster? How so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we know that objective moral values exist?Don&#8217;t we have to make an assumption with out any evidential basis in order to believe objective moral values exist? I am free to believe in good or evil, but I am also free to believe in the flying spaghetti monster. What basis do I have to believe in Objective Good and Evil? Is it a stronger basis than the Flying spaghetti monster? How so?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answer #1 to Connor&#8217;s Question by Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So pretty much when you&#039;re abandoned by God you&#039;re damned? oR ARENT WORKING HARD ENOUGH?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So pretty much when you&#8217;re abandoned by God you&#8217;re damned? oR ARENT WORKING HARD ENOUGH?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Answer to John&#8217;s Evil/God Question by Thadd T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thadd T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 16:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a simple answer...if you looking for a logical answer

You yourself agree that Objective morals and values exist, right? you stated that evil exists right?
you yourself proved that God exits. 
Where else can objective moral values and duties come from but god?
society? i don&#039;t think so
if we are(according to evolutio) just animals....how did objective morals and values come to pass? 
God is the only logical answer to this problem. 
If there is bad, then there&#039;s good. simple. and vice-versa. God loves us so much he gave us the option to choose sin. He loves us so much that he gives us both otptiones. Good and Evil. that is why there is evil. 
If you want to prove that objective moral values and duties come elswhere than god, then you can prove God doesn&#039;t exist. But as long as you cannot find a reasonable base for those, God is the only plausible answer for where objective moral values and duties come from</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a simple answer&#8230;if you looking for a logical answer</p>
<p>You yourself agree that Objective morals and values exist, right? you stated that evil exists right?<br />
you yourself proved that God exits.<br />
Where else can objective moral values and duties come from but god?<br />
society? i don&#8217;t think so<br />
if we are(according to evolutio) just animals&#8230;.how did objective morals and values come to pass?<br />
God is the only logical answer to this problem.<br />
If there is bad, then there&#8217;s good. simple. and vice-versa. God loves us so much he gave us the option to choose sin. He loves us so much that he gives us both otptiones. Good and Evil. that is why there is evil.<br />
If you want to prove that objective moral values and duties come elswhere than god, then you can prove God doesn&#8217;t exist. But as long as you cannot find a reasonable base for those, God is the only plausible answer for where objective moral values and duties come from</p>
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